My granny Flora McFadyen was one of the oldest and longest residents in the Wine Alley. I think he lived in Partick and had 2 little girls. Saturday afternoons were for the matinees at one of the four movie halls; Lyceum, Plaza, Elder and Vogue. If there is anyone out there that remembers me please contact me :). The area was originally a country estate which contained a mansion house, Moore Park, which was built in the early 19th century for the Hagart family, to plans prepared by the architect David Hamilton. Any profits went into the family home and we knew that we would get in return our Saturday matinee money and a sweety. Create New Account. Especially in the Scottish context, given the important role that they have played in community planning. They thanked him for the work they had done in cleaning up Wine Alley and bringing Burnsides two-year reign of terror to an end. approached in flavour to wine. My mother Josaphine Devlin and her brother Greg were born Drumoyan Street Govan. Poor Man, he said to my Mother, "the way she's trying to kick me I think her hips are fine". Wine Alley, the newest wine tasting experience to open at Woodin Creek Village in Woodinville, WA, debuted with a ribbon cutting ceremony and grand opening event on February 18, 2022. Forgotten account? Rather than go on strike, which was the traditional form of industrial action, the union leadership of the yards decided to have a work-in and complete the orders that the shipyards had in place. If either cop was caught then they were on a hiding to nothing. [12], There is an oddity whereby part of eighteenth-century parish of Govan (which was in Lanarkshire) is counted as being within Renfrewshire. I stayed at 146 Copland Road above the Light Blue Cafe went to Ibrox primary School 1941 till 1948 happy times. I lived at 73 Nethan Street, Govan. Again, as in the cast of the Gorbals, little was done to remedy the situation until the individual agencies within the local communities combined their power to get something done. For (as he says) members of the so-called underclass are not helpless and passive victims of structural circumstances, and that by becoming involved in social, political and economical activities, the community of any area can organise themselves in such a fashion as to understand that community, or collective power, is real.1 I used to visit your Mum and Dad. My father was a chemist who worked for the SCWS. In 1996, a team from Channel 4's Time Team programme carried out an archeological excavation at the site. It was fantastic staying there, 3 family's stayed in each cottage. [20], Traditionally viewed as a lower working-class area, Govan has typically supported the Labour Party, but the Scottish National Party (SNP) has also been strong there. My name is James Murray, my dad Edward Murray grew up in Govan. Instead, it referred to the popularity of cheap and powerful tonic wines particularly with young people - the vast consumption of which would often lead to violence and disorder. We lived directly opposite the Steamie and I vividly recall playing ball against the red brick wall for hours. Naturally the slum dwellers of Govan, who though it their right to have most of the new house in their own locality, were angry and outraged at their expectations being ignored by the authorities. Got in with the wrong crowd in Wine Alley,Govan, Glasgow,(Rab C Nesbitt Country) usual stuff to start with theft,housebreakings(Burglary to those from England), theft of and from motor vehicles, local gang wars etc, then got into some serious crime such as armed robbery, Gun running between Stranraer to Belfast, serious assaults(GBH), . One flat was chosen in Wine Alley and a second across the road in a collection of tower blocks called Iona Court. contact IPSO here, 2001-2023. 99m New Cafe India Govan . I am looking for the name of a barbers shop that was on Langlands Road at Helen street end. I was born in 23 McGregor Street Teucharhill in 1962 and remember my mum waiting until the last minute and getting a lift to the polling station, promising to vote for whichever party candidate provided the transport (aye right) still though when the 70s arrived I would have voted for the blonde wummin shouting through a megaphone at the end of the street even though I'd no idea what she was on about or what party she represented, she was a bit of a belter called Margo MacDonald. I was born in Govan, at home, on Luath Street in 1935. Great memories of Summertown Road baths. . Introduction [7] It is now kept inside the church, as part of the Govan Stones museum collection. 102m Harley's ice cream parlour . I would like to hear from anybody who knew any of us up until 1981 when my mum and dad left Ibrox to move to Craigton. who traditionally incorporate the red and black civic colours in the socks of their kit;[43] their Ibrox Stadium has a stand named for Govan (the closest to the heart of the burgh), although officially this was re-named after their former player Sandy Jardine in 2014.[44]. "[13], By the early part of the 19th century, Govan was rapidly losing its rural appearance and assuming the character of a town with the development of new industries and factories, including Reid's Dye Works and Pollok's Silk Mill. Providing a family base with a family room in Govan, with weekly meetings in Govan and Easterhouse Providing consistent, non-judgmental support to families and individuals, and home visits to families in crisis He said be a good girl, I don't want to see you when you're 17 causing problems. It goes on to say that although bad housing design, and the allowance of dilapidation has been part of the problem, still housing is not the whole answer. This present attitude towards housing has serious implications for the future. Like Pauline I also went to St. Margaret's and I also recall Susan's Shop. NGR NS 55416 65081. I lived in Elderpark Street and the Wine Alley. Another is the horses and carts assembled at Harmony Row. In particular, urban communities are increasingly constrained by both local and governmental authorities, and also by outside economic factors, which can and do prohibit perceived changes for the better. My Aunt and Uncle Kathleen and Tommy Blacker lived in 6 Rathlin Street, Govan. In recent years it has seen major improvements with the building of Glasgow Science Centre and the Glasgow Arc, better known as the Squinty Bridge. At the time this article was written in the local Southside paper, prices for the projected apartments were going up dramatically among the speculators.14 A few hundred yards east of this development, one-bedroom apartments at the newly built QE3 (Clydeside Festival Park) in Govan were selling for 129,995 while two-bedrooms at the same place will cost you 199,995. [6] Govan is believed to have then been part of a kingdom ruled from Dumbarton Rock, known as Alt Clut, the rock on the Clyde. 10 Bailey and Hastings, 2004, p. 91 Much later, after years of drink and drugs abuse, I thought about all the time I had wasted and I realised that if I was going to seriously change my life than I had to reeducate myself into a new way of thinking We love it here, but still go back to Scotland every other year. I was born in Broomloan Road Ibrox in Govan in 1958. It was great reading all the stories. Nostalgic 3w Siobhan McCrone Joseph McCrone Going down the pyramids on a bread crate all good till ur fingers caught underneath 7 4w 1 Reply The Govan ferry was something special for us to go on, either by ourselves or with our mum. This striking omission harks directly back to Darners time in Moorepark where the community had no say at all in their right to a decent home, in a decent environment, and a decent standard of life.13, Private housing is at present being built on the site of the old Granary at Partick while across the river at Govans Graving Docks, the developing company Bishop Loch have been given permission to alter its original approved plan for the Docks of a hotel and 500 houses. inaccuracy or intrusion, then please The planning process commonly involves the juggling of conflicting interests in such a fashion that it is agreeable to all interested parties at least, no one side has to sacrifice itself unjustly. There was no point in carrying out any raids because the dealers could quickly escape and dispose of their drugs. You never forget these things, but what great days and what character building it was. I loved Govan how all the woman watched as we played there was always an adult around and if they were not outside you knew exactly where to find them sitting in a house having a cup of tea great great days I wish we had lived in Govan longer than my 5 years but we always had many visits back to see relies and old neighbours. It also told them that he was changing the vehicles and registration numbers to avoid detection. We stayed next door to the Mellon's in 31 Rathlin Street for a short time, I was friendly with your brother Paul. I lived in Kintra Street from 1946 until 1960 and went to Broomloan Road school then Govan High. My husband also comes from Govan. The manager was a man called Jackie. [19] It was removed in the early 19th century and Reid's Dyeworks was erected on the site. Situated south of the River Clyde and part of the former Burgh of Govan, it was colloquially referred to as 'Wine Alley' during the mid-to-late 20th century when a housing scheme with a rough reputation was sited there. The locals in Govan fear that gentrification is making its way in, in the face of community objections.15 It was just before I packed in this job that I met Sean Damer when he came to our house to some of the family in 1974. On the 21/6/2005 the plans for the future of Govans Central area were publicly revealed showing that housing and concern for unemployment was high on its agenda. Damer (who lived for six months in the scheme) wanted to find out how and why such places came to exist, and what could be done to help them. Log In. Her daughter had a hairdressers just up from St Constantine's, I think, and my Gran got me to go along and help her wash the towels on Saturday night. For instance, leaky, crumbling roofs were never repaired during the improvements nor were rotten, draught-causing window frames replaced while the backcourt midden arrangements remained as inadequate as ever. Later that year Burnside was handed a 12-year prison sentence at the High Court in Glasgow following an 18-day trial, while his three associates got terms of between five and seven years. I was attending what was then known as Duns Academy when my father decided to emigrate to Canada. Know your enemy. The wines were delicious but unfortunately out of my price range. I learned to play tennis in the Elder Park which stood by me for I played the game for the next 60 years wherever I landed. Get into Govan. He also had a shop in Govan Road and he lived at 31 (I think) Copland Road, his name was Robert Reid and he had 2 daughters, Jane my mother and her sister Molly who lived for years in Merryland Street before it was pulled down. When all my pals joined the Lifeboys I went along too for 2 weeks, I think the hall was on Portman or Middlesex Street. My father "served his time" in the Thermotank then for many years was a policeman in Plantation Street. Third, the importance of housing management services such as concierge or neighbourhood warden duties are understated in the document, and they are not considered as playing a core public service in the maintenance and upkeep of the areas they service.10 sau. 6 Markus, 1993, p. 163 We had and still have such a loving family even although our parents and grandparents have passed, but Govan made us that way because it was a great community and you knew who your neighbours were. Posted on Behalf of Mags Monaghan The "Wine Alley" housing scheme, just off the Broomloan Road, was notorious in Govan and elsewhere in Glasgow as a den of thieves, drunks and drug addicts. When they married on the 29/4/1939 they moved to Hillington. I believe that the buiding was demolished due to a structural problem that would not be able to be easily remedied. Jocelyn Square. On this Wikipedia the language links are at the top of the page across from the article title. Zabudli ste daje na prstup k tu? I spent a lot of time at my granny's while growing up I remember we used to get payed for watching the cars when there was a game on at Ibrox. For instance; my mother was standing on the banks of the Clyde in 1938, when the Queen Mary was launched. Co. Ltd., Alexander Stephens & Sons, J & G Thomson, Harland & Wolff and more. Through the ages people have lived in houses, building them according to the climate, topography, the material available, and the social and cultural ideas of the time. Registered in England & Wales | 01676637 |. They share a rivalry with St Anthony's F.C. From start to finish this series has been amazing roll on book four! The Wine Alley is a boutique wine shop specializing in fine wines from the Pacific NW and Around the world! My Granny, Cassie Donaghey stayed at 9 Orkney Street, Govan where I went at weekends and for holidays (Yeah from Drumchapel). In early 1989 police discovered a team of young drug dealers were operating in Wine Alley, led by older man Eddie Burnside. or. Thus, when Renfrewshire was created out of a sheriffdom of Lanarkshire in the early fifteenth century, the lands associated with the hospital (Polmadie) were not technically in the newly created shire, as they were not part of the sheriffdom. Comedian. [21], The area has had a reputation for deprivation and poverty, partly due to the construction of housing estates in the 1930s to relieve the overcrowded slum district of The Gorbals, Glasgow. The Murrays were a large family maybe someone remembers them? Pagini similare. In fact, within only two years of the first tenants moving into their 7-storey deck-access blocks (in 1972); they had begun to complain about severe dampness, condensation, and water penetration. Gary Faulds. Eventually, my dad arrived asking if anyone had handed in a wee lassie. The police discovered an empty flat on the eighth floor which would give them a birds eye view of the entrance to Burnsides tenement flat close. ), the street was a dead end because a school had burnt down. The School that was situated at the end of Cowie Street was the "Wee Lamby" or Lambhill Junior Primary. And I went to see Grease at The Liceum on Govan Road. One summer, I walked to the steamie and managed to get some photos of it. Ah! This company continued until 1965, when it filed for bankruptcy. Listing details information provided by Stephen Redding. or. My mam would love to know. The first, Moorepark Grounds, was situated to the north of the mansion from the early 1900s and made way for the housing development;[12] the second (New Moore Park, opened in 1929) was to the south-west of the neighbourhood off Edmiston Drive[12] and had fallen into some disrepair before being replaced by a business park at the turn of the 21st century, with the club moving to new facilities at Shieldhall after some years of uncertainty.[13][14]. Otherwise, unless there is agreement between authority and community, issues like social segregation will never go away unless something is done is because the housing system (and the way it operates) encourages the separation of the rich and the poor. Wine Alley by Colin Quigley. Only neighbours I remember were children Mary and her younger brother James Haggerty who lived in same close which I think was 95 Golspie Street. And increase their/your revenues. [1][2] By the early 20th century Moorepark was bounded by the commercial properties, tenements and villas of the Broomloan estate to the east and railway lines to the west. I too, have fond memories of playing and performing small shows, and we all thought we could act. In June 2004 the Scottish Parliaments Public Petition Committee heard presentations from Govan Community Council about the failure of local regeneration policies in housing, poverty and unemployment. Govan borders the district of Ibrox, home to the Scottish football club Rangers F.C. I was so focussed what was in front of me, I never looked behind me and I disappeared over the edge. I was a deckhand on the TSS Shleldhall sewage ship that sailed down the Clyde every day Monday to Friday to the tail of the bank, there we discharged the load then made a circle before heading back up home. Nobody like them in the World. 109m Bells Bar . At the end of his stay in the housing scheme Damer wrote a report on the area entitled From Moorepark to Wine Alley in what was a damning indictment of officialdom for its arrogant neglect of Moorepark and the people who lived there. Tel: 0141 440 1999, Fax: 0141 440 1367 , Over the years the Wine Alley had been severely neglected by the council and in the 1980s like a lot of places in Britain people were faced with high unemployment, drug abuse and crime, it continued to get worse and the homes were in such a bad state due to continued council neglect and lack of investment that they were demolished by 1995 and the people scattered to the 4 corners of Govan and beyond.http://www.acumfaegovan.com This was around 1954ish. Any way they started to ask us our schools and of course my mates answered Broomloan Rd, Bellahouston and Lorne St, but when it came my turn my truthful answer was Our Lady and St Margaret's Primary just up the road from here. I lived at 2 Robert street, Govan, we moved there from Tower Street, Kinning Park, I went to Harmony Row school (1959/60) then moved up to Hills Trust primary and after that went to Broomloan Road secondary school, that was shut down and we were moved to Govan High comprehensive around 1967/1968. I can remember having to use the toilet on the landing using a massive key to open the door. [9] It had also been parodied by the BBC Scotland television comedy series Rab C. Nesbitt, with Wine Alley and the wider Govan area the stated setting for the show, though episodes were seldom filmed there. We had some chalk on us and we wrote on the outside of the lovely red tiles on the wall. He also sold single woodbine cigarettes out the packet. Again, as happened in Moorepark in the mid 1970s, selective letting policies resulted in the housing of people who suffered not only from economic deprivation but had many related social problems of drink, drugs, and petty theft. My dad was taken in to see the wee boy, turns out it was me. And Linda Paterson, I knew your dad Geordie Paterson, and I think he had a brother Willie. My granny Flora McFadyen was one of the oldest and longest residents in the Wine Alley. I remember your family at 100 Harmony Row, my cousin Maisie McAlinden was friendly with the family also my Granny, or as she was better known, MAW Austin, hence I was bettter known a Joe Austin. Went back recently, but things are not the same. Reid was a prominent union leader whose successful 'work in' at the Upper Clyde Shipbuilders in 1971 stopped government attempts to close the yards. During the late 19th century, the population of Govan increased more than tenfold: from 9,000 in 1864 to 95,000 by 1907. From terrace proud to alley base I know thee as my mother's face. I'm thinking I never whined at them again. Govan and Fisher, former NBA player and current head coach for the Los Angeles Sparks, got married on Saturday at Cielo Farms in Malibu, California. During my first year studying sociology I came across Damer again in the form of a book that he had written about poverty and deprivation in the Wine Alley but put it to the back of my mind. The authorities plan for the scheme started going wrong when they decided (without consulting the locals who lived in Govan) to house it mainly with outsiders or people who came from areas other than Govan. I stayed all over Govan, I was born in the Southern General in 1961 and was brought home to Neptune St then I stayed in Govan Rd, Broomloan Rd and Carmichael St. For those who did move in, it was not a matter of them wanting to live in the area, it was more a case of people with little or no choice about where they could stay. My Aunt Marg & Uncle Jack Johnstone had the paper shop on Govan Road. Somewhere, communication had broken down so completely, that while the latter felt powerless to do anything about the situation, the remedies of the former only made the situation worse. THURSO BERWICK (1919-1981) Hullo! Therefore, the purpose of this Reflection is to make a contribution to the discussions on community planning and have the thoughts of people who have lived through other I now live in Scotstoun but attend same dentist at Water Row Govan! JAMES D. YOUNG Culture and Socialism: Working-Class Glasgow, 1778-1978, The future of Technics and Civilisation Lewis Mumford, The intellectual life of the British Working Classes.
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