i was thinking about how i probably sound critical to some people when i post on here about how i dont think people are apologizing right. So quick question if anyone wants to take a whack at it. So as long as Driscoll can provide entertainment and ratings, Pentecostals will continue to book him. I am thinking that is no doubt true, but Saul/Paul was also a religious activist who had double crossed his former sponsors in Jerusalem who had given him credentials to go seek out believers for persecution. He screamed and swore. think of him as he is pray to glorified jesusking of kings lord of lords worshiped by angels. stephen says Ive gotta find jesus on the worst most devasting difficult damaging day of my life I have to find jesus (more mark interpreting the bible for all of us non pastors, stephen already knew where Jesus was) and he sees jesus, what is jesus doing? Any allegations are probably not as bad as the truth. In December 2007, Merle and I quietly left Mars Hill Church. Sopy Im trying to get people to understand it because theres a whole lot of stuff thats out there thats being said, much of it is just just simply not even close to truth. How far can a pastor go in preaching the gospel when it comes to a political issue? One of the men had been to a conference in Seattle and was just wowed by his missional approach. 13 And I have seen folly in the prophets of Samaria; they prophesied in Baal, and caused my people Israel to err. (Note I did not diagnose) I do believe seen in that light, it makes it simpler to see how he gets by with it and why some who also make their living in similar ways are promoting him. since we are all clergy??? I think what became public is enough to realize they are not safe, not mature but toxic and have been all along. i think bills reply echos mine mostly, if your question is what church should look like if we are all clergy. And of course JLindell can know that MD has NOT repented and sought reconciliation with those he threatened with breaking their nose, and then expelled and shunned. Whats the worst import/export that youve seen? Dont miss the title of Lindells May 16, 2014 blog entry: These churches are both responsible for vetting their speakers, and they utterly failed on this one. I asked people who were about as famous (if that is what you call it) as him what they thought. However, you are on to something with the radical chic concept. I hope you encourage them to visit TWW. FTR Hillsong is also Assemblies of God. I think older people ignored the bad boy Driscoll because he seemed to be reaching the young people. Hey Sam you may be interested in how Jews interpret the Mashiach (messiah) passages. You have a holy responsibility to lead your flock in truth and light yet you are deliberately misleading them. . You need to check yourself Lindell then apologize and repent. Regardless of your tilt on the subject, Lindell appears to go out of his way to make it into the news on the subject. If you continue to use this site we will assume that you are happy with it. I was mainly trying to establish there is a difference between lovable Hollywood Che and reality Che. some things i noticed are in (parenthesis) luke was paul's dr and paul was luke's pastor. its a little hard to swallow that he knew nothing about Driscolls behaviour. My great concern is that people leaving megas to find these narrow gate churches are used to high level spiritainment and may not feel able to reduce their standards to go to a small church. With BHouston, JLindell and MD there is no hope. Great observation! Did MD admit to being WWII under duress or was that more mischief from Dark Miscoll? Did this evil plot involve the use of ninjas or leprechauns? But I never want to deliberately post any false information so I do appreciate any corrections you can add. There was a box for Guest Services. Mark Driscoll should not be a preacher ever again. I dont think Christians have to throw out common sense/reason/logic. @ sam: There will be a day of reckoning. Brad Pitt cancelled his wedding there due to the churchs anti-gay preaching. He fails all or almost all the qualifications laid out for that role as outlined in the New Testament. That does not mean you want harm to come to them. Mark also provided the all important yet elusive authentic community so long as you bow to him and stay on his good size. For more information about James River Church and to get connected, click the link below! Its a professional, corporate institutional model based on an unbiblical clergy/ laity distinction. I just think that there is not much reason to listen to just his side of the story and think that is all there may be to it. Only when inquiring about membership was their any discussion of W2s and the appropriate amount to tithe. Pastor daddy Mike Baker is furious and says he's been mistreated-"slander," etc. No I wouldnt allow someone who was an embezzler or criminal back in charge, of course not. My old church Gateway has atmosphere teams in services to emotionally manipulate members and visitors. then mark goes on to teach us that we must forgive even if the person never admits wrong or says I am sorry: vengance is where you make someone pay. I dont see him pastoring a church and I am not even sure his legal problems from the last one are over. What is tragic is that these events will lead everyone who has two braincells to rub together to come to the following default conclusions: He was defended and protected by his peers and they even tried to help him plant a church here and give it street cred but his family of churches franchise is over for him and he is lucky if 50 people show (mostly SGM followers and family) up for his church in a room at the Marriot not far from where I live. Lindell doesnt have a real active blog, his third from last entry is titled: Before people know it, feeling loved and valued (and not realizing it was due to preplanned manipulation) they are plugged in several days a week, basically dropping out of their non-church activities. one passenger died. I strongly recommend the brief article by Jon Zens at Searching Together entitled Going to the Root Mark Driscoll and the Celebrity System. Are we really talking about clerical influence/position/authority and money? appeciate your posts and the others on this blog. This is not a measure of faith. I am always eager and willing to learn, so no argument here. no., to forgive them prepares you to see jesus. they get tired of hearing his kind words they shove it into his mouth. I am not the most wonderful guy in the world, i am not a saint, but when i asked Jesus to forgive me and fill me with His Spirit i changed inside. I did disagree, however, with this one sentence. they warm up to stone people like baseball players and lay their coats at the feet of saul to show he is the alpha. (I would have thought he was the lazy one who didnt want to get his hands dirty by actually doing anything but talking a lot), takes it from daniel where god becomes man, if you saw Jesus you would not likely see him as you expect. It takes at least 6 months before you start seeing things clearly. Also, you dont want the sheep to get uppity. Great comment Bridget. And shame on these preachers at these churches giving MD a platform to relaunch his church-related career. Its what he does. jamesriver.org [email protected] (417) 581-5433; At James River Assembly we're focused.Upward in Worship, Inward in Commitment and Outward in Evangelism. He diverts attention from the real purpose, the Gospel, to himself. This has nothing to do with the recent downfall of Mark and demise of Mars Hill. i think He has some Jesus in him, it just gets mixed up with other stuff. One needed them because they were somehow spiritually qualified (?) An awful lot of people are having to do the exact same thing. The worship leaders laugh about it. Judging a pastors or missionaries repentance is not being critical of pastors, its saying, this is a position that has really high moral qualifications and if you dont have them, get out of the pulpit. But Peter rebuked him for his motives and told him to repent of his wickedness and told him he was gall of bitterness and in the bondage of iniquity.. We know that Driscoll should never have been a pastor: lack of formal qualifications, lack of maturity in the faith (too young, and never been a member of a church before he started his own), lack of maturity in general; Whats worse, total lack of good character. ATB What I saw was the 2 verses that I had typed on a 35 card and tacked to my bulletin board. Going forward, we are committed to doing a better job of encouraging and maintaining the procedures necessary to keep people safe and secure, James River Church officials explained. However, some of his employees and family were taken in by SBTS and seem to be doing ok. IMO, the church as a whole can help to regulate these things by exposing them and explaining how they do not reflect Christ at all. Weve got enough local crazy around here, we dont need Mark Driscoll and his He-Man Woman-Hating Circus. I saw many warnings but there seemed to be some explanation for most of it. Thanks for your comments. So many use Ches image as some sort of inspirational symbol. CCHD encourages individuals who were present at the high-capacity event over the weekend to monitor for symptoms of COVID-19 for 14-days from the event date and seek medical attention if symptoms develop., Church officials defended themselves in a statement issued to KYTV-KSPR, noting that despite what the images show, we take seriously the safety and health of those who attend our services.. I tend to doubt it but who knows. @Albuquerque Blue I am also pretty sure the accounts of his instrumental role in bringing Russian nuclear-armed ballistic missiles to Cuba to be used against the US were not purely fabricated, so I did not believe I was disseminating false information at the time I wrote that. 2023 www.news-leader.com. But much of the Australian backlash has centred around Mr Driscoll's comments about women. Ive recently read Wayne Jacobsen Finding Church, Frank Viola Finding Organic Church, Terry Stanley The way Church Was Meant To Be and found what they think the church should be an interesting concept but so far Im not convinced. Sincerely want to know what the alternative is. The movie was sooooooo good. I guess Calvinism for these guys means never having to take personal responsibility. This one was different. Who has harmed you? Just volunteers. I wouldnt want to walk in his shoes and succumb to the large amount of pride he exhibits, what an empty way to live. I really appreciate your insights Lydia. In my opinion Gateway is a cult not a church so they lose their Winters Bone protection status. When Robert brags about lunching with Greg Abbott, golfing with George W Bush or being Rick Santorums spiritual advisor, it makes me feel ill. Nancy, i think theres a lot of truth to what you say, and its more than posdible that people he was addressing in his letters knew at least something about that. Just some thoughts to consider. Didnt God send a vision or angel to some other guy, or a dream to him, and tell him about Paul, that Paul could be trusted? 15 And all that sat in the council, looking steadfastly on him, saw his face as it had been the face of an angel. "We cannot endorse a candidate and we cannot endorse a party," he said. This is what the giving unit is looking for, not God. During this pandemic we have helped thousands of people with food, financial assistance, counsel, and spiritual encouragement. notable pastors have been pouring into his life. The SGM defenders used the no criminal charges aspect of innocence, too, when it came to CJ. of course i have no idea really what is driving mark driscoll but thats what i think it might be. pure grace are you or have been in similar situation to stephen? In 2002, Agathos began as a ministry to rescue orphans in Africa during the peak of the out-of-control HIV/AIDS crisis. http://jewsforjudaism.org/knowledge/articles/answers/jewish-polemics/texts/christian-proof-texting/, from reading rob smiths post about the orphanage Agathos in Africa being defunded by Marks Hill church and marks telling missionaries not to work with them it is clear where Matt Chandler got the idea. Mega churches are asking people to step back from the reality of how they effect people and just go along with a bunch of rules and covenants and christianeese and let them stay in their positions cause their friends say they are changed. I view it as wisdom. Yep. Ill talk to you more tomorrow, so dont forget to check back! Steven Reed, Stephens' opponent, had an easier time answering. This is largely shielded from television audiences who only view a heavily edited 22 minute message. there is a scripture somewhere that says i wont speak against Gods annointed, which was david re saul i believe, and people have used this (or churches have used this to keep people quiet) as a reason to never say anything about church abuse. It is an issue of protecting other people. In February of 2007, Mark Driscoll preached a sermon that included raising funds for Agathos. Do my eyes deceive me? Who has wounded you?