The National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) says a United Express regional jet didn't slide off a runway in Maine it missed the runway altogether. That final report has been out for months. The first officer stated "I'm staying on the flight director 'cause I don't see it yet", and the captain responded by repeating the phrase "stay in it", followed by "what the [expletive]" and the first officer saying "I dont know what Im seein'." On Mar 5th 2019 the FAA reported: "Commutair Flight 4933 Embraer E45X landed in the grass area beside the runway due to unknown circumstances." The occurrence was rated an accident. On the second attempt, the pilot landed off the runway between runway 1 and a parallel taxiway. The fact that the product that airlines seek can be bought and behavior tailored shows just how fucked some hiring practices are. United Express, landed between runway 1 and taxiway A in light to moderate snow at Northern Maine Regional Airport at Presque Isle (KPQI), Presque Isle, Maine. Cassie Daigle took this photo inside the plane shortly after it stopped. See this is my problem with the industry. Based in Mexico City, Mexico. Did anyone else see that they got the shaker during the first missed, and set off the EGPWS? Carguychris (talk) 14:50, 1 August 2022 (UTC) Relisting. It is irrelevant whether the union itself has anything to do with the action. The first officer commenced a second approach and verified that the aircraft was aligned with the ILS localizer. United/CommutAir flight 4933, a 50-seat Embraer EMB-145XR operating as United Express, was scheduled to arrive at PQI on March 4 at 10:49 a.m., according to FlightAware, but instead landed at about 11:30 a.m., and wasn't officially confirmed as having "arrived" at the airport's terminal until 12:30 p.m. DropTank Well-Known Member May 22, 2022 #3 Roger Roger said: The airplane was substantially damaged. At an Appropriations hearing in July 2019, The report determined the probable causes of this accident to be, The first officers fatigue, which exacerbated his confirmation bias, and. You had me till you brought up sex and skin Color. Wow, clearly that investigator was a sport's guy, cause I wouldn't have known what to make of it. 3.4. Rick Daigle said the scene inside the airplane as it landed was one of chaos with people screaming and seat parts popping off. The failure of CommutAir pilots who had observed an issue with the ILS prior to the accident and failed to report it to the company and air traffic control. [1]:34, The NTSB commented on the captain's flight training record. During the final approach, the pilots decided to do a go-around after they were unable to see the runway. The NTSB also determined that the first officer was fatigued, which contributed to his confirmation bias; that the captain had demonstrated "poor judgment and decision-making" in instructing the first officer to continue the approach although he did not have the runway in sight; and that the ILS localizer was out of tolerance by about 200ft (61m) to the right, a condition that had been noticed during six previous CommutAir flights, including by the accident first officer, but had not been properly reported to the FAA. The plane touched down then slid off the runway. March 17, 2020. I had an employee that was a good stick and rudder pilot but horrible decision maker, cocky, and just did stupid shit like rolling a company 207. As I said, drama might as well have been her middle name. Location: Windsor Locks, Connecticut . The pilot did not touch down on the first attempt. Theyre famous here too! Publicado hace 1 segundo. CommutAir Flight 4933 (operating as United Express Flight 4933) was a domestic regional flight operating from Newark, New Jersey, to Presque Isle, Maine, in the United States. He had accumulated a total of 4,909 flight hours, 470 on the Embraer EMB-145XR. Commutair. I was suppose to start a four day trip with an individual that displayed this described behavior. Instrument meteorological conditions (IMC) prevailed at the airfield, with low ceilings, fog, and blowing snow. The plane literally is nowhere near the actual runway, he said, adding that snowplows had to remove snow so that emergency responders could get to the plane to help the injured passengers. Photos showed some of the landing gear stuck in one of the engines. That woman has moved on now to a wide body. However, none of the pilots reported the issues. As a leader of the Transportation Appropriations Subcommittee, Senator Collins has consistently secured robust funding for the instrument landing system (ILS) that provides pilots with precision landing information in poor visibility. Presque Isle International Airport will be closed until further notice as representatives of the Federal Aviation Administration investigate, Smith said. Remove the mounting nuts and the mounting bolts. On March 4, 2019, a CommutAir flight suffered a runway excursion at Presque Isle International Airport. [1]:15, In a post crash interview, the first officer of the flight stated that when he transitioned from looking at his flight instruments to the outside, all he could see was "white on white". Also big Yikes. Carguychris (talk) 19:14, 21 July 2022 (UTC), The result of the move request was: no consensus. Well, the first attempt they pulled up before landing so obviously something was wrong, he said. The experience had humbled her, but then she upgraded and the drama began again. The broadcast contained a halftime report of game 6 of an NBA playoff series between Golden State and Memphis. [1]:1314, Flight 4933 departed from Newark Liberty International Airport around 10:04Eastern Standard Time(EST) (14:04UTC). What should the crew have done to avoid the runway excursion and hard landing? The NTSB has released a preliminary report from an incident in which a CommutAir flight 4933, an Embraer EMB-145XR, N14171, d.b.a. If you search the database for accidents in Presque Isle, Maine there is no mention of flight 4933. Unfortunately, it was implemented way too late to catch things like Atlas and this, but thats the nature of the beast: reactive and years behind at best. She has a 777 type now so she doesnt work for commutair. The ILS was screwy bc of snow, known issue in PQI. PRESQUE ISLE, Maine (WABI) A United Express flight had a rough landing at Presque Isle's airport Monday leaving a pilot and four passengers with minor injuries, that according to city officials. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. The NTSB announced two investigators have been dispatched to Presque Isle to investigate the accident of the United Express Embraer ERJ-145XR. Senator Susan Collins, the Ranking Member of the Transportation Appropriations Subcommittee, issued a statement on the release of the National Transportation Safety Boards (NTSB) final report on the missed runway incident at Presque Isle International Airport that occurred in March of 2019. On March 4, 2019, the Embraer EMB-145XR operating the flight touched down in a snow-covered grassy area to the right of the runway at Presque Isle International Airport, injuring three aircraft occupants and substantially damaging the aircraft. Edit: Failed simulator training. 28 pax/3 crew. The airplane was substantially damaged. Pretty concerning when your livelihood is tied to things like accidents. You must log in or register to reply here. The first officer was 51 years old and joined CommutAir in May 2018. This map shows the airport of departure and the intended destination of the flight. At 11:28EST, as the aircraft descended through 200ft (61m) AGL, the minimum decision height for the approach, the captain called out "runway in sight twelve o'clock." 3:11-cv-05 | Casetext Search + Citator. We climbed out on a ladder with the help of local firefighters, he said. We give them kids stuff. Do you want to learn about the safety record of Commutair? Its like we didnt learn from Colgan, except to keep the 1500 hr (which I dont think would have stopped the crash, but different topic for different day). It is preliminary and is based on the facts as they are known at this time. The United flights for the Newark-Presque Isle service are operated by CommuteAir, which is partly owned by United. We use cookies to ensure you get the best experience on our site. And before anyone starts screaming discrimination and racism, go F off, I know pilots of every sex, color and creed that are outstanding aviators, AND I know white pilots that I wouldn't trust as far as I could throw them! The first officer then spotted a tower near the aircraft's position, and realizing that the aircraft was not aligned properly with the runway, he initiated a missed approach. Hopefully these things wont slip through the cracks anymore. Safety Recommendation Report . The subscription is only 240 including 20% VAT per year, subscribers outside of the European Union save the VAT and pay only 200 . So if they can get through training, off to the line they go. This information is not presented as the Flight Safety Foundation or the Aviation Safety Networks opinion as to the cause of the accident. Flight Conducted Under: Part 121: Air Carrier - Scheduled. FAA guidance before the accident did not specifically address snow depth around a localizer antenna; after the accident, the guidance was revised to state that localizer alignment should be checked if snow accumulated to a depth exceeding 2ft (0.61m)[1]:4, The NTSB found that at least six CommutAir pilots had noticed the localizer misalignment within the preceding five days before the accident but none had filed a company aviation safety action program (ASAP) report; however, four of them filed ASAP reports after the accident. Photo: NTSB. The aircraft touched down at 11:29EST and came to rest in a snow-covered grassy area between the runway and a parallel taxiway. According to the report, the landing followed the pilot's second approach to runway 1 after having conducted a missed approach during the first approach. Radar track data show that the airplane was aligned right of runway 1 during both approaches. Accident Reports are one of the main products of an NTSB investigation. On Mar 21st 2019 the NTSB reported: "On March 4, 2019, at 1143 eastern standard time, CommutAir flight 4933, an Embraer EMB-145XR, N14171, d.b.a. The Daigles were still at the airport as of 2 p.m. after having been interviewed by emergency medical technicians and a United representative, Daigle said. Rick and Cassie Daigle, owners of Too Far North Fitness in Fort Kent, were on this United flight that ended up off the runway at the airport in Presque Isle on Monday morning. She was slightly ahead of me in seniority at C5, but then left for VX right before she could upgrade. Contradicting the report that the plane landed on the runway and then skidded off, he said, that the actual landing, if you want to call it that, completely missed the runway.